What’s going on?
There’s been a fierce debate among energy bods this summer over the environmental effectiveness of combined heat and power (CHP) and CHP with cooling (CCHP) – a debate closely tied to assumptions about the carbon emissions associated with grid electricity in the UK.
What happened?
As noted in this blog in May, Arup associate director James Thonger opened up with a broadside aimed at the GLA policy of requiring CHP and CCHP on new developments. In particular he refuted LCCA claims that gas CHP saves 54% of carbon relative to grid electricity. The LCCA is headed up by Allan Jones, former green god of Woking and now darling of the London Mayor, who didn’t take the criticism lightly.
At the centre of Thonger’s argument was the carbon intensity of grid electricity, which can vary widely depending on the fuel used. It is a particularly contentious issue, especially in London where predicted carbon savings can make or break a planning application.
There then ensued a wild flurry of rebuttals and counter-rebuttals between Jones and Thonger. This bloody exchange between two giants had the industry on the edge of its ringside seats. While Jones has the east end gangster vibe (a lá Mr Bridger from the Italian Job: “Last night, Mr Governor, my toilet was broken into”), my money was on Thonger, renowned for his stamina, footwork, and looking suspiciously like half of the Alan Parsons Project.
Then just when it was about to get nasty, the fight came to nothing. Jones told Thonger to stop bothering him and take his argument to the government. Thonger capitulated.
But the exchange attracted the attention of Wild Bill Orchard, industry titan and godfather of CHP. As a hush fell over the arena, Bill came down firmly on the side of the GLA and against Thonger, dropping some serious science in the process.
At which point DEFRA further muddied the waters by publishing its greenhouse gas conversion figures giving a long term marginal conversion faction of 0.43kgCO2/kWh, a figure slightly different from building regs (0.422) and wildly different from the figure given by SAP for intensity of grid electricity saved through the use of CHP or renewables (0.568). It was a stark reminder that the carbon intensity of grid electricity depends on who you’re asking.
Brian Mark, director at Fulcrum, popped up at this point to back Thonger’s figures and say that CHP is only likely to save around 10-12% of carbon on a typical mixed use development. A sentiment I shared until Bill Orchard sowed the seeds of doubt in my mind.
So then came a debate hosted by the BSJ on 14 August, which moved the argument off the printed page and into the lecture theatre. The results were inconclusive, though many participants agreed that carbon trading would increase certainty on the issue as it would heavily influence fuel mix on the grid.
Unsurprisingly, in the end nothing’s changed. There were no clear winners from the summer’s debate, though I think the credibility of the LCCA figures did take a knock. The central issue of emissions from grid electricity and its implications for CHP remains unresolved, and most of us will carry on using the figures dictated by building regs.
So is gas CHP a good thing? Yes, in the right circumstances where the loads and the engines are well matched. How good? It depends on your assumptions. In addition the energy infrastructure associated with CHP is a very good thing – down the road it offers the freedom to hook into larger heat networks or switch to alternative energy sources such as biomass.
And we can say this for sure: engineers need a definitive carbon intensity figure in order to do their calcs. While I agree that we engineers should be involved in the debate, we can’t start every report with a lengthy justification of how we’ve arrived at our carbon figures. Even worse than the current state of confusion, it would be carbon anarchy.
I’ve always wondered about CHP. Now I’m no techy and, inviting a guffaw, I ask the following question:
Seeing that our need for electricity is all year round, but our need for the kind of heat/ electrical energy output ratio delivered by CHP is only necessary for the heating season- wouldnt it be better to develop a machine that works with the reverse in mind.
Most turbines are only 35% efficient, or so. Why use the waste heat from the heating part of a CHP system to generate electricity, when we would be better served by using the waste heat from electricity generation to provide heating?
Unless, of course, my ideas on how CHP works are entirely wrong- in which case you are free to guffaw, look at me askew next time you see me and suggest that I may be in the wrong industry
This may be an ironic question so I’ll post an answer cautiously. Your ideal solution is spot on: CHP uses the waste heat from electricity generation.
So why cant the opposite be the potential norm?. I realise this has little to do with intensity factors but, unless stirling engines and the like are much more efficient than other turbines, we are still only effectively recovering 1/3 of the waste heat
Taking an example (just to be indicative, right? not precise): an engine might have an electrical output of 1MW and a heat output of 1.4MW. Assuming the electrical efficiency is 33%, that’s 3030kW of fuel coming in. 1MW is coming out as electricity, leaving us just over 2MW of waste energy. The system catches 1.4MW of the waste heat, i.e. just under 70% of the waste energy from the electrical conversion process. That’s not bad, and much more than the 1/3 you suggested.
Hang on, doesnt the heat come first? If so, all heat not converted to electricity
is wasted and I have never seen a jenny that is better than about 40% efficient. Does the CHP jenny work differently to all other jenny’s?
If I am completely wrong and moronic, say so- or this will run and run.
Oh dear, sorry to do this- Im sure you are at least as busy as I am!
No worries J. Except in CHP based on stirling engines, electricity generally comes first. Most chp is based on internal combustion engines or gas turbines. In both these cases, gas combustion drives a mechanical process, which is then used to generate electricity. Heat is then recovered from the jacket and flue gasses to be used for other things: space and water heating, absorption chillers, process heat for manufacturing, etc.
So in the case of internal combustion CHP, it’s just like hooking your car engine up to a generator and using the heat from the radiator to warm your house.
I’ll get my coat!
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